Sussex Cricket Message Board - ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-27T12:21:13Z

Selected for the firsts based on merit ? I thought they merely had to be homegrown and young and they should be given a chance.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-27T09:38:01Z

ASDF - Has Aga produced level of performances in the second team to warrant first team selection? Players should be selected for the firsts based on merit. Ollie took five wickets in his one championship appearence to date and got dropped! How is that fair? As for Aga and Liddle I think the fact Robbo signed Anyon and Keegan shows how little he rates these two. At 25/26 these two should be playing first team cricket if not at Sussex then elsewhere.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-27T09:33:46Z

Sharkey wrote:

SLP - Given Liddle's injury record I would rather see Lewis Hatchett here next season than Liddle if it came down to a straight choice between the two. The fact Lewry was still playing at 38 says it all! We need a seam bowling clearout (Kirtley, Keegan, Aga and Liddle) and give the youngsters (Adkin, Thorpe, Hatchett and Rollings) a chance.
I would rather see Ollie given a run of games in the firsts as opposed to an inferior quality seamer.

Whilst I agree with you about Ollie being given a run of games I think it is unfair to not give Aga a run of games, perhaps as a replacement for RMJ.

I find the constant negativity about Aga and Liddle tedious.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-27T09:20:35Z

SLP - Given Liddle's injury record I would rather see Lewis Hatchett here next season than Liddle if it came down to a straight choice between the two. The fact Lewry was still playing at 38 says it all! We need a seam bowling clearout (Kirtley, Keegan, Aga and Liddle) and give the youngsters (Adkin, Thorpe, Hatchett and Rollings) a chance.

I would rather see Ollie given a run of games in the firsts as opposed to an inferior quality seamer.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-27T06:08:14Z

jonboy wrote:

Maybe a change of emphasis now Tucker is not going to be around. I'd like to see three seamers and two spinners with Rayner given Tuckers all rounder role.

I agree. RMJ is a massive loss and yesterday was just another case of him stepping up when Sussex lacked runs. Ollie can't be expected to fully replicate RMJ's runs and shore up the lower order straight away. However, with RMJ retiring in July, hopefully we can encourage having 2 regular spinners at Hove in the 2nd half of the season and promoting a spinner's pitch similar to the wicket at the end of last season. Ollie has been the most consistent bowler in the 2nd XI over recent years and can achieve so much more with the bat. I'd rather see him given an extended run than see an inferior like for like seamer replacement for RMJ.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T15:47:31Z

Thanks for that, Sharkey. Sounds promising. It's a shame about Liddle and his injuries though. I saw him bowl in one game at Hove a couple of years back. I think it might have been against Worcestershire. He bowled tidily without looking particularly dangerous and he scored a 50 as well. I thought that he looked quite promising but I am no expert. Is he just unlucky with his fitness at the moment or is there a more serious question mark against his long-term physical condition? Do you think he could still make the grade if was able to get a good run of matches, initially in the second XI? It would be good to have the variation of a left arm seamer again after Jason's retirement, wouldn't it?

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T14:49:02Z

jonboy wrote:

Maybe a change of emphasis now Tucker is not going to be around. I'd like to see three seamers and two spinners with Rayner given Tuckers all rounder role.

This is certainly going to need to be the case when Wright is with England.

SLP - I didn't see your message before as you managed to post between reading BP's post and submitting my own later post. These four are no worse than Aga or Liddle and are just as likely to do in a decent job in the first team as them. They are six years younger too! I would say Thorpe is the closest but it is unlikely they will play this year as Robbo prefers experienced players.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T13:01:04Z

Maybe a change of emphasis now Tucker is not going to be around. I'd like to see three seamers and two spinners with Rayner given Tuckers all rounder role.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T12:34:57Z

It's not a case a of who has and hasn't had a chance more a case of ensuring that we make full use of the homegrown talent already at our disposal.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T12:32:01Z

Sharkey, these four young lads that you mention, where do you put them in relation to Aga and Liddle (injured again?). On a par? Or maybe just a season behind?

I get the sense that Aga might get another first team chance soon. Which one of the four is nearest to getting a first team outing and is it likely to be this year, in your view? Cheers.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-26T12:20:42Z

Sharkey wrote:

We haven't produced a decent homegrown seamer in the last fifteen years and quite frankly haven't looked even remotely close to doing so either. However, this maybe about to changes as we have Adkin, Thorpe, Rollings and Hatchett who are aged 19/20.

Doesn't answer the question. You implied we didn't give them opportunities, but are now saying there haven't been any.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-25T19:40:02Z

Ardcarran wrote:

I'm definitely happy with the squad too, and esp. pleased with our bowling in the CC. Am also hopeful our bowling will come good in the 20-20 (hope we play Beer or Rayner).
The batting in the CC is the biggest worry, obviously, and you could argue that whilst our results have flipped from winning to losing, there hasn't been much change on that front with our top 6 struggling in all games except Surrey:
Glams: 144-5 (284) and 126-5 (311)
Surrey: 241-5 (416) and 33-0
Gloucs: 111-5 (152) and 119-5 (302)
Leics: 92-5 (392) and 64-0
M'sex: 135-5 (217) and 118-5 (321)
N'hants: 166-5 (175) and 170-5 (269)
Don't think there has been a single century stand by the top order.

So not the case, as pointed out by (I think) Ryfish on the Argus page:

Yards/Muzz vs Surrey (117)
Muzz/Thorn vs Glams (106)

And of course today's

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-25T19:34:32Z

We haven't produced a decent homegrown seamer in the last fifteen years and quite frankly haven't looked even remotely close to doing so either. However, this maybe about to changes as we have Adkin, Thorpe, Rollings and Hatchett who are aged 19/20.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-24T22:10:41Z

Sharkey wrote:

FiveMartlets wrote:
You once asked why Durham produced loads of fast bowlers but Sussex none?
We have three 20 year olds in Will Adkin, Lewis Hatchett and Jordan Rollings and 19 year old James Thorpe. The difference between us and Durham is that they give their fast bowlers an opportunity!

Who's never had a chance then Mart ? On the one hand you say Sussex have never produced a seam bowler in 15 years, now you're suggesting they have but haven't given them a chance. Who then ?

Sharkey wrote:

MMS I couldn't agree more about the signing of Panesar. I think it could prove to be one of Robbo's biggest mistakes.

ZZZZ. We'd never have guessed.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

2010-05-24T21:34:29Z

I watched his bowling closely today and the problem is that it is too one paced and lacks variation. I hope Monty performances do improve for Robbo's sake as he is going to look a massive fool for signing him if he doesn't especially if Rayner and Beer leave in the meantine. I believe Panesar was a high risk signing which even if it came off and he was a success would likely end up with him in the England team! Was his signing done for cricketing or marketing reasons? At the moment the wickets probably aren't at their most conducive (although Rayner did take 5 wickets last week) so it will be interesting to see how many wickets Panesar finishes up with. Even if he doesn't perform I know there is absolutely no way Monty will be dropped by Robbo.

As for the seamers they can only produce the "big performances" in the second team if given the opportunity to do so. That means bowling more than two or four overs in an innings!