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What it all comes down to is the so-called "big counties" are continuing to have to come up with someway to rty and get ahead of little old Sussex.  None of them could understand how we kept winning champiopnships while all of them found themselves down in division 2 at some stage.  Now none of them can understand how we were the best 1-day side in the country last season.

Still, Hampshire a global brand ?!?  Looks like they've all fallen for the "Manchester United of cricket" rubbish pouted by Jones.....the only thing they have in common with the Cockney mancs is no-one likes them.

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The Paperboy wrote:
Sweatysock wrote:

this is though why it is better to be in than out as it is unlikely to lose money - im not sure all the test grounds are in pole position to attract this business, but suppose they start with a distinct advantage

You're sounding like Bransgrove and Mackay. Just suppose that NSW Blues or Mumbai Indians would rather partner Sussex than say Notts or Lancs. Where does that leave Worcs, Kent, Northants, Somerset, etc.?
There will be room for some counties in the lifeboat but other clubs will be left to drown.

It appears to me you're indicating we should make sure we attempt to be included in one of the franchised groups.

But PB, are you suggesting we take the moral high ground, have no part in it, and some other county gets the opportunity instead? Where does that get us?

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Ardcarran wrote:

But PB, are you suggesting we take the moral high ground, have no part in it, and some other county gets the opportunity instead? Where does that get us?

In a competition being played by 18 counties.

Being a Sussex fan continues to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.

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what im suggesting, PB is that it would be a dangerous policy to just ignore it and hope it goes away - id prefer an attempt to compete for this business and negotiate from a position of strength rather than just let the big boys get on with it

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A very thought provoking article by Andy Bull in The Guardian's "Spin" column:

What The Royals' Franchise Concept Could Mean For Cricket

Andy Bull
09 February 2010

The times they are a-changin'. If you hadn't noticed yet, the latest
clue came at Lord's yesterday. There, over the course of five long
hours of PowerPoint presentations and other PR shenanigans, the
Rajasthan Royals launched their new global franchise, Royals2020.

There are at least nine words in that last sentence that will be so
soul-wearying to many cricket fans that they may well have stopped
reading already. I sympathise. The state of the sport has been in
perpetual revolution for too long now. Phrases like 'PowerPoint' and
'PR shenanigans' should not be getting space among the cricket column
inches. But this is not the time to be burying your head in the sand.
How did the man Dylan put it? "He that gets hurt will be he who has
stalled."

Just ask the county chairmen, an array of whom have, according to
sources, been wintering in India, negotiating deals like the one
announced by Hampshire's Rod Bransgrove. Anyone who does not
appreciate the full significance of yesterday's developments should
look a little closer and think a little harder, even if the
conclusions leave you in a state of mild despair about the future.

To briefly recap, Rajasthan have expanded their franchise, entering
into partnership with Hampshire, the Cape Cobras and Trinidad &
Tobago. The Victoria Bushrangers are still in negotiations. Those
teams will now all play in identical kit under the name 'Royals', and
share revenues, players and expertise.

They will also play in a series of festivals against each other,
across the world and throughout the calendar. The first is due,
supposedly, to take place in England this July. This is an especially
mischievous move. There is a temptation, eloquently expressed by
Andrew Miller on Cricinfo (
http://www.cricinfo.com/magazine/conten … 47511.html ), to see
this as the cricketing equivalent of town-twinning, enabling little
more than the erection of a signpost on the city limits and a series
of pupil - or in this case player - exchange schemes.

It is far more important than that. This is not sports administration,
this is big business, being played for multi-million dollar stakes.
The people who run things now wear sharp suits, not blazers, and they
are in it for the money, not because they have nothing better to do
in retirement. Rajasthan did not even notify the ECB that they were
about to plop a three-day Twenty20 tournament down in the middle of
the English season. They would have known that by doing so, they were
setting the cat among the pigeons.

They are laying stake to a chunk of the English cricket market in the
high season - days before the start of the first Test against
Pakistan, and at the very same time as the domestic Twenty20
quarter-finals. Savvy operators as they are, I would wager Rajasthan
deliberately used the description 'festival' to soften the blow.
Their chairman Manoj Badale, co-founder of the investment group
Blenheim Chalcott, is a shrewd man, and was quick to make
conciliatory noises, saying the biggest obstacle the project faced
was "ensuring our interfaces with the cricket boards are what they
should be". Giving them five months' notice of a new Twenty20
tournament in their own backyard - Rajasthan were "90% confident"
that Lord's would be available as a venue - seems a strange way to do
that.

Middlesex and Leicestershire were also believed to have been in
negotiations to join the Royals. While in India, Delhi and Kolkata
are reportedly looking for partners in England who can offer
Test-sized grounds and large local British-Asian populations. If the
Royals festival goes ahead, every franchise will be demanding an
equivalent slot. Those three days will mushroom into a much larger
slice of the season, squeezing out the ECB's domestic competition.

The MCC - which must approve any match played at Lord's - was far from
confident about the prospect of hosting the festival. Even Bransgrove
hedged his words slightly about using the Rose Bowl as a venue,
saying there were "a couple of hurdles to be overcome." In fact,
there is hardly even a window at the end of July at all. The Rose
Bowl is due to host a four-day match between India A and New Zealand
A from the 23 to the 27, and Hampshire are playing on 25 and 29 July
The quarter-finals of the ECB's redesigned Twenty20 Cup are on 25 and
26 July. If the ECB refuses Rajasthan permission for the festival -
as seems inevitable - then, at the very least, the IPL franchises
will have won a bargaining chip to crack open space elsewhere in the
calendar. This is part of a battle for control of cricket's calendar.

The Board's position will also be weakened by the fact that, if the
franchise gambit pays off, the counties which are involved will
potentially be financially independent of the ECB. Never mind control
over the course of the global game, the ECB may find itself in a
struggle for authority over what's happening inside its own borders.
No wonder Badale was being so diplomatic about what, in another
light, could be seen as an explicitly aggressive move on the English
market.

As well as creating more product for Indian TV, the other great
advantage of the new franchise system is in extending the marketing
reach of the teams. In the future IPL sides will be negotiating
sponsorship rights not only in India, but in five major markets
across the world.

The deal raises the prospect of five teams - all named the Royals -
reaching the Champions League. If you need an idea of just how
important that fledgling competition is to the financial futures of
the English counties, just take a look at some of the overseas
signings made this winter: Adam Gilchrist, Shahid Afridi, Cameron
White. If all five Royals sides reached the competition, and Badale
says it is "when not if", then they would split any players who are
being shared between them on an ad hoc basis ("based on common sense"
said captain-coach Shane Warne). They would also be putting all the
winnings into a central pool and dividing them five ways.

The pioneer years of Twenty20 are over. For the counties it is time to
start swimming or sink like a stone. The IPL teams' revenues are
hindered by one obvious problem - they only play for a tiny fraction
of the year. All of the franchises will, naturally, be looking to
expand to become year-round operations. That is the natural course of
remorseless profit-logic, and the biggest single force for change in
cricket at the moment.

Being a Sussex fan continues to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.

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being minus a test ground and a local Asian population would appear to put us at a slight disadvantage! sad

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Depressing as hell, whichever way you look at it, and I fear us not joining in more than joining in. How long have competitions with 18 counties in got?

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One of the joys of life / cricket is that there are seasons.

So you get some time off now and again to do other things (watch rugby, NFL, soccer even).  The players get a chance to rest and recuperate (or go and ply their trade on the other side of the world if they wish).

A year round circus will be no fun at all, and could become a right royal nonsense as Andy Bull points out.

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Ardcarran wrote:

Depressing as hell, whichever way you look at it, and I fear us not joining in more than joining in. How long have competitions with 18 counties in got?

This is a very good post which asks all the right questions but it doesn't make me feel a huge amount better.

Here's another couple of related questions

1. How many more County Championship matches will Luke Wright play in his career?

2. How many test matches will India play in the year 2020

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Surrey 205 and 243. Sussex 416 and 33-0.

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aewparsons wrote:
Ardcarran wrote:

Depressing as hell, whichever way you look at it, and I fear us not joining in more than joining in. How long have competitions with 18 counties in got?

This is a very good post which asks all the right questions but it doesn't make me feel a huge amount better.

Here's another couple of related questions

1. How many more County Championship matches will Luke Wright play in his career?

2. How many test matches will India play in the year 2020

How long before an increase in overseas players is put forward, denied and there is the threat of a breakaway league amongst the 'bigger' clubs to include more overseas players?

Good Old Sussex By The Sea...

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Sounds a bit like the 'Harlem Globetrotters' of cricket. What are they doing these days?

SCCC Unofficial Talent Spotter

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Bizarre isn't it that India - the country that has more cricket fans than any other - is going to destroy the game?

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as Crowie was hinting earlier - the silence from the ECB is deafening on this issue

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Surely this raises a huge question mark about conflict of interest.
What if one of the 5 Royals sides were playing a deciding group game when they had already qualified?
It would be very unfair if they lost and allowed one of their fellow franchise sides to also advance to the next stage of the tournament. It will eventually happen.

I'm rapidly falling out of love with this wonderful game that was once ours. sad

Being a Sussex fan continues to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.

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Glimmer of hope ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/fe … -franchise

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/fe … 0-festival

What's truly depressing about this - in fact a number of events over the winter is that madcap schemes are only discussed because of the failure of our own Boards to make the County game financially viable.

Championship cricket doesn't pay.  50 overs doesn't do enough so it gets ditched. 40 overs gets chopped and changed to try and make it more commercial.  The great cashcow, T20 hasn't done enough to save several counties from losses.  Even test match grounds with big ticket matches are mostly borderline/breakeven.

And all of this at a time when there's more revenue being pumped into our game than ever before.  But we still have this incredible knack of blowing more cash than we earn.  What else can we expect when our very own ECB set the standard by chasing Stanford's millions.  Reap what you sow.

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more depressing stuff, with Surrey testing the trough!

http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content … MP=OTC-RSS

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Interesting that Surrey's point of view, mirrowing Middlesex's stance :

"Without jeopardising anything in terms of our agreements with the ECB, it is clearly my responsibility to use the ground as much as we can," said Sheldon, who reiterated his belief in the sanctity of Test cricket

.... does this mean that Hampshire are in breach (of something or other) ?

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As a bit of lateral thinking, why does the link have to be with other cricketing franchises - why not with other sports (i know you cant play an exhibition match but thats the only definite reason). There are other teams called Sharks around the world - IM aware of Sale and Natal in Rugby, but there must be a few others - then we can stil lsupport another team in the winter

Just a thought....

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Sweatysock wrote:

As a bit of lateral thinking, why does the link have to be with other cricketing franchises - why not with other sports (i know you cant play an exhibition match but thats the only definite reason). There are other teams called Sharks around the world - IM aware of Sale and Natal in Rugby, but there must be a few others - then we can stil lsupport another team in the winter

Just a thought....

Is there any truth in the rumour that Hampshire Royals have signed a deal with Lord Steven Regal of the WWE?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/William-Regal-Entrance%2C-RLA-Melb-10.11.2007.jpg

Does anyone remember Robert Maxwell's fabulous idea to merge Oxford United with Reading as the Thames Valley Royals?


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Cronulla_1988.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bc/Sale_sharks_badge.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/ShanghaiSharksLogo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/37/SanJoseSharksLogo.svg/640px-SanJoseSharksLogo.svg.png

Heaven forbid Sweaty!

Thank goodness the martlets are safe; well apart from Dundalk FC:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/DundalkFC.png

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Dundalk CC and Lord Reagal are genius TGD. Thanks for setting me off on a good note today!

Surrey 205 and 243. Sussex 416 and 33-0.

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serchers wrote:

Interesting that Surrey's point of view, mirrowing Middlesex's stance :

"Without jeopardising anything in terms of our agreements with the ECB, it is clearly my responsibility to use the ground as much as we can," said Sheldon, who reiterated his belief in the sanctity of Test cricket

.... does this mean that Hampshire are in breach (of something or other) ?


Think its just means that the ECB have to sanction any "competitive" game. If Hampshire want a tournament incolving all the various Royals, the ECB have to agree to it or it cant take place.

If the government are going to mess around with the Sky deal, counties are going to have to find other ways to make money to offset the potential big cut in central funding. I hope those in favour of having the ashes on free TV for armchair viwers are happy with the potential effect on those who go to watch the game. yikes

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The Kookaburra Man

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KimJones wrote:

If the government are going to mess around with the Sky deal, counties are going to have to find other ways to make money to offset the potential big cut in central funding. I hope those in favour of having the ashes on free TV for armchair viwers are happy with the potential effect on those who go to watch the game. yikes

I am obviously not happy with the potential effect on cricket but equally don't accept that only those who can afford to, should be able to watch the Ashes. Solutions are out there and the ECB need to work hard to find them without chasing fake billionaire's fake money.

Surrey 205 and 243. Sussex 416 and 33-0.

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It is all very well talking about the link up with the IPL and it's riches, but, do the likes of Surrey really believe once their ground has been redevloped they can get 25000 crowds? I don't see it.

I honestly believe that the public will soon lose interest in 2020 cricket. If the clubs are worried about clashing with the football world cup this year - it says to me that there isn't enough transient 2020 cricket lovers.

Sooner or later the clubs are going to have to realise that there hard core support are the members who are less interested in 2020 cricket.

What I do hope is that the 40 over competition is the great success that it should be and in due course the crowds flock to a 40 over game, prefrably on a Sunday.

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Just reminded myself that the first time the Ashes could be on BBC is 7 years time.

I believe cricket will be completely different by then. The only 1 day form will be 2020 and
I cannot see 18 counties lasting .

How much Test cricket will be left by 2017 ??  There is no meaningful Test cricket at present until June ! Yes SA play a second Test v India but 2 Test series mean nothing .Take away England and Australia and the rest of Test cricket would die overnight .

2020 will kill all other forms of the game if it carries on . We should of course remind ourselves that this form was invented by our club sides playing evening league.

I do hope I am wrong but in 10 years time I believe the only cricket I will be watching will be on a village green where it all basically began .

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Interesting to see how 2020 plays out, asdf. You may be right that people will lose interest, though I wouldn't read too much into the fear of the clash with the footie world cup. Footie dominates all cricket formats. I remember people being moved to comment at the time that the extraordinary Ashes series in 05, the most exciting and pulsating for 25 years, had knocked yet another tedious Premiership season where only three teams had a hope of winning the thing off the headlines for a couple of weeks. Cricket's fight isn't with footie, but with itself.