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sussexshark64 wrote:Sorry, but who is Filby?
You've probably heard of Burgess and McClean. Well he's the third man who is often obtaining undercover signatures.
If we told you any more we'd have to kill you.
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Yorks pay a miilion in interest and still make profits
TC,
It is no surprise that those counties who held Ashes Tests last summer have had a strong financial season. Glamorgan, Warwickshire and now Yorkshire, all citing this as being the primary factor.
Sussex had their own finances boosted because of the 4 day game last June. A pity, the Aussies can't be persuaded to play more practise matches against county clubs that never have the opportunity to host them.
I feel sorry for Middlesex who miss out on the financial bonanza at 'Lords' each time because the monies go to the MCC and not them.
I note only Derbyshire will benefit this year, when Australia play them in a touring game in July before their Pakistan series. The other practise match is at 'Lords' in June.
As a history footnote:
In 1948, Australia played every English county as part of their touring schedule as well as a host of other first class games (31 in total). While unrealistic now, given the sheer number of International matches, imagine how that would help the finances of county cricket today.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian 8#v_Sussex
Last edited by softandfluffy (17-03-2010 13:32:07)
That will never happen again. They already moan that the international calendar is too busy.
shark64,
Yep, a pipedream.
Interesting how Yorkshire CCCs local paper is more critical of the club's financial plight. Their over-reliance on Test match and ODI games' revenue is a problem. I wish Yorkshire the best of luck in resolving their difficulties.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/cricket/ 6071720.jp
Last edited by softandfluffy (17-03-2010 16:15:28)
They only have to say that because they have £18m pound debts, so of course it is fragile. But I do hope that they do pay off that debt, even though it will take 10-15 years apparently. Good luck too them, they make our books look a lot more tidy.
Lancashire CCC are the latest county club to invest a vast sum of money into redeveloping their Old Trafford ground - a thumping £32m. The hope is to keep their Test status and be awarded an Ashes match in 2013; upset that Glamorgan hijacked the club's usual prize last season.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/ma ent-clears
So, with Glamorgan's 'Swalec Stadium' and Hampshire's 'Rosebowl' as the new kids on the block, that means England have 8 different Test grounds all vying for a slice of the same financial bonanza - primarily, 5 Ashes Tests every 4 years. Not good when both 'Lords' and 'The Oval' are given priority, anyway. So, that is 6 counties fighting over just 3 Tests.
How will clubs like Hampshire (£48m investment); Lancashire (£32m); or Yorkshire (£18m in debt), ever get their investments' back, if the 'big' money comes only once every 4 years, and where there is no guarantee of being awarded an Ashes Test, anyway?
Meanwhile, Pakistan must be applauded when England host their Test series against Australia this summer. They play 6 touring matches against counties between June and September including LV2 clubs like Worcestershire, Leicestershire and Northants. This should bring in much welcomed extra money.
Australia, on the other hand, play only two. One at 'Lords' which doesn't financially help Middlesex at all and Derbyshire.
http://www.ecb.co.uk/ecb/about-ecb/medi 28,EN.html
Last edited by softandfluffy (19-03-2010 15:57:13)
The way it works, as I understand it, is that the 'test playing grounds' bid to host a test match and the ones that put up the most dosh wins. I believe that the Welsh Assembly underwrote Glamorgan's bid and of course with their money guarenteed they were always going to host the ashes test.
Not exactly a level playing field.
So there is no guarentee that Old Trafford will be successful in 2013
I think that is how it works and if I am wrong no doubt I will be corrected. ![]()
What is more interesting is in 2012, no other sport event can take place during the Olympics in the London area (I believe that it may be a fortnight either side), so that should give the fixture computer something to sort out for Middlesex and Surrey. ![]()
dv,
I remember Rod Bransgrove at Hampshire was furious, accusing the ECB of all kinds of skullduggery Re: Glamorgan as the choice of last year's 1st Ashes Test. Given the power the ECB wield, Bransgrove is not helping the 'Rosebowl' cause by criticising the recent Peter Wright selection.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricke ected.html
Meanwhile, 'Lords' becomes the Olympic archery venue between 27th July and 12th August 2012. So, Middlesex CCC will have to find an alternative venue. Pity it's not 'The Oval' as they could have used Chris Adams as a target! ![]()
http://www.lords.org/latest-news/news-a 33,NS.html
The Olympics is already causing concern amongst cricket sponsors.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/ma ponsorship
Last edited by softandfluffy (19-03-2010 16:54:14)
langford,
I've discovered the England home fixtures in Olympics' year and surprisingly it is very full.
Presumably, due to the uncertainty, Lords have no international games while the Oval one Test and one ODI. The winners are the established non-London Test grounds; while the primary loser is the 'Rosebowl' who've only been given 1 ODI and Glamorgan 2 ODIs. Let's see how the remaining allocations fair.
My primary beef is yet another competition against Australia. Greed is taking over the ECB. What ever happened to the every 2 years?
We have: Ashes 2009 in England: 5 ODIs 2010 in England: Ashes 2011 in Australia; 5 ODIs 2012 in England: Ashes 2013 in England. This will kill off the 'special' and 'unique' flavour of the matches. Imagine holding the 'Ryder Cup' every year. It would just become another golf tournament.
2012
West Indies Tests: Edgbaston, Trent Bridge
West Indies ODIs: Cardiff, Headingley Carnegie, The Brit Oval
South Africa Tests: Headingley Carnegie, The Brit Oval
South Africa ODIs: Cardiff, Rose Bowl, Trent Bridge
South Africa T20: Old Trafford
Domestic T20 final: Lord's
To allocate: Test match and 1 T20 v West Indies; 1 Test match v South Africa; 5 ODIs v Australia
Last edited by softandfluffy (19-03-2010 17:21:32)
s&f I think Yorkshire CCC have a deal with Leeds Met University over their premises (Leeds Met also use it for some teaching) and also the rugby league team which backs onto the the Headingley ground, so the cricket club is only part of a larger picture. Which makes some sense.
langford,
I've discovered the England home fixtures in Olympics' year and surprisingly it is very full.
Presumably, due to the uncertainty, Lords have no international games while the Oval one Test and one ODI. The winners are the established non-London Test grounds; while the primary loser is the 'Rosebowl' who've only been given 1 ODI and Glamorgan 2 ODIs. Let's see how the remaining allocations fair.
My primary beef is yet another competition against Australia. Greed is taking over the ECB. What ever happened to the every 2 years?
We have: Ashes 2009 in England: 5 ODIs 2010 in England: Ashes 2011 in Australia; 5 ODIs 2012 in England: Ashes 2013 in England. This will kill off the 'special' and 'unique' flavour of the matches. Imagine holding the 'Ryder Cup' every year. It would just become another golf tournament.
2012
West Indies Tests: Edgbaston, Trent Bridge
West Indies ODIs: Cardiff, Headingley Carnegie, The Brit Oval
South Africa Tests: Headingley Carnegie, The Brit Oval
South Africa ODIs: Cardiff, Rose Bowl, Trent Bridge
South Africa T20: Old Trafford
Domestic T20 final: Lord's
To allocate: Test match and 1 T20 v West Indies; 1 Test match v South Africa; 5 ODIs v Australia
That is very interesting....thanks ![]()
I am just glad we can geographically at Hove even attempt to compete for a test.
I am just glad we can geographically at Hove even attempt to compete for a test.
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Interesting to hear the club's Chairman, Jim May, in today's BBC interview, mention his financial concerns for the Test ground counties.
"My private concern for Test match grounds is some counties might come a cropper. Because of the ECB's bidding process, it has encouraged them to chase too few matches. I am really worried that some, given their degree of debt, could get into financial difficulty."
Meanwhile, May says that support for Sussex has grown in recent years with two different types of supporter. The traditional Member who watches the 4 day games and non-members who support the 20/20 and Pro40.
Last year the OD matches attracted twice as much income from non-members than members. Five years ago this would have been the other way around. May also accepts that Sussex are a non-profit making club.
As for investing over £8m on the ground refurbishment, he describes this as "an act of faith" given the growing economic uncertainty in cricket.
Perhaps, he's referring to this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/8578456.stm
In the same interview, Robbo again states that Sussex can't compete financially with the bigger clubs; that players like Ed Joyce and Monty came to the club, not for money, as they could have gained higher wages elsewhere, but for the right cricketing reasons.
He also states that some Sussex supporters might have more realistic expectations if the club resided in the Midlands rather than close to Surrey and Hampshire - two of the biggest financially.
Robbo concedes that player salary inflation is becoming a growing problem; an upshot, he believes, due to clubs like Surrey.
Last edited by softandfluffy (21-03-2010 21:17:16)
This is from the Essex site. It's funny that Kent also said their membership was up and then announced a loss..............
Essex Cricket - 2009 Financial Results
Mar 22 2010
Essex Cricket can today announce their financial results for financial year ending 31st December 2009.
Treasurer comments for Report and Accounts publication:
“It is immensely disappointing to announce a six figure loss of £216,000 for 2009 after investment results and a tax rebate. Cricket is not immune from the recession and this impacted our corporate income, including sponsorship and advertising. However, our membership income was up and we attracted high attendances at the Twenty20 matches. Our cricket costs were impacted by the absence of exceptional ECB income we received in 2008 and additional contract payments at the end of 2009”.
“While other Counties have produced similar losses this is no consolation and our 2010 budget process has been very robust with the aim to return to profit. We have an attractive membership package; we have three more Friends Provident Twenty20 games and two international matches against Bangladesh and Pakistan – the latter a Twenty20. We also have a new Clydesdale 40 Over competition and most important of all we are in the 1st Division of the LV County Championship. If we do well in the various competitions both the team and the Club will benefit from prize money.
“However, there is one word of warning. If cricket is forced onto terrestrial television it will have a devastating impact on our income, which will mean we will have to make some very hard decisions.”
Meanwhile, May says that support for Sussex has grown in recent years with two different types of supporter. The traditional Member who watches the 4 day games and non-members who support the 20/20 and Pro40.
Last year the OD matches attracted twice as much income from non-members than members. Five years ago this would have been the other way around. May also accepts that Sussex are a non-profit making club.
I Don't understand that, as Standard membership includes the Pro 40 and the Premier membership includes the 20/20s as well as the Pro 40.
langford,
Sussex CCC have changed the Membership system for 2010.
If memory serves, Members had to pay for 20/20 matches; they weren't included before. Membership only covered 4 day and Pro40. So, this shows how much income Sussex derived from 20/20 last year. Not surprising, given they won the tournament.
5M,
Those Essex financial results sum up the malaise of many county clubs. What I find refreshing is the honesty from Sussex's chairman, Jim May, when he states the club is non-profit making. This must take a lot of pressure off the administrators. Therefore, Dave Brooks' CEO role is not so much to make an annual profit but simply to keep Sussex solvent and away from bankruptcy. And when a profit is made it's an added bonus. Given this mindset, Sussex can continue to compete financially with other clubs.
Like May, my concern for Test ground counties with ballooning debt is growing. Sussex are in such a strong position compared to them. God alone knows what will happen if the 'Ashes' is switched to terrestrial TV. The income lost to the ECB, is the money which Yorkshire and others are presently using just to pay off the annual interest on their loans.
I am amazed that Graham Gooch is in favour of this switch. Does he fully understand the implications? Anyway, we should have the decision within the next 6 weeks.
Last edited by softandfluffy (22-03-2010 12:27:38)
Well said.....and to think people were whingeing at the size of our profit. ![]()
BP,
There is a difference between 'whingeing' and 'questioning'. If a county makes a record turnover of £5.8m and then produces just £1,455 profit, one is curious as to know why.
We discover this is primarily due to a 30% player/staff salary increase (+£790k) and less interest income from the Cama legacy (-£267,801) compared to 2008.
Jim May concedes Sussex are not a profit-making concern, so any gain is a bonus. Mark Robinson accepts there is a problem concerning players' wage inflation. If Ed Joyce, Monty and others are accepting lower salaries than some other clubs, Sussex's wage increase might have been even higher. Compared to some counties, Sussex are in a stable financial position for the future.
Meanwhile, Edgbaston are also going ahead with a £30m ground redevelopment; and even Gloucestershire are jumping on this bandwagon madness, stating they want to increase their capacity from 4,000 to 20,000, in a bid to host international matches. That may well cost them £20m+.
Given the present economic uncertainty and the growing competition to host international matches, I would rather be in Dave Brooks' shoes than certain other county club CEOs.
As the British economist E.F Schumacher said, "Small is beautiful."
Last edited by softandfluffy (22-03-2010 15:02:01)
I reckon Kent of the non test counties and Warwicks of the test counties are the most at risk.
Slurrey certainly aren't
this is a link about the Surrey profits:
http://www.cricinfo.com/england/content 53031.html
What is more interesting than the figures is the photograph ![]()
I am presuming that is from the pre-season in Dubai (due to the stickers on the stumps and the date of the article), they have a black and green kit
not the brown slurrey colour of recent times
Also the pitch in question, looks rather crumbly...