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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Will Beer is 21 and pretty inexperienced.His record in first class,list A and 20/20 are none too impressive but he has time.He has shown poise and llooked the part.His second eleven performances this year have shown real imrovement.

http://www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/player/297626.html

Maybe someone expected Beer to be in the first team and taking 44 wickets at 26 in 13 matches but I didnt.If Monty wasnt with us I expect Ollie would have played more than 5 games rather than Beer play any because perhaps Robbo doesnt think he is ready. Also we might have another season in the second division which few supporters think is a good thing.There is a balance between developing young talent,our succession planning ,and maximising current results.Not an easy task and I think Mark Robinsons team has been doing it pretty well.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Bearing in minda Panesar missed the Northants game where he would have taken wickets & barely bowled in 2 of the games I think he has been a success this season.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Backward Point wrote:
Kent Exile wrote:

What expectations did you have from Beer - most of us expected him to continue to progress and show what he could do in the championship - especially as we are in Div 2.  I really dont know how you can say he has met expectations when he hasnt been given a chance to do so.  A few 20-20 games - and he was one of our most economical bowlers - then banished to the seconds.  I think you have to accept - as I do - that Panesar has had an OK season - but at the expense of any expectations we had for Beer.

Not sure Beer would've taken close on 50 wickets with a match to go.

No one said he would - but it wouldnt be the same if you got it right would it. 

asdf64 - triple century -  no one has said they expected Beer to take 44 wickets - no one has said that Panesar has not had an OK season.  The argument - that you want to avoid - is that Beer has not met expectations because the signing of Panesar has held him back from 1st team cricket.  This time last year - and right up to the signing of Panesar - we were all saying how much we were looking forward to seeing Beer develop and how much we were looking forward to seeing him bowl in CC matches - that was the expectation.  You will keep twisting it - as usual - but that is what we were all saying - and only people who really dont want to see it would miss the fact that Beer has not got his chances because of the Panesar signing.  That is not to say the signing was wrong - although I think it was - that is not to say that Panesar has had a bad season - that is not to say that Beer would have taken 44 wickets - we will never know - just that his chances have been very limited because of the arrival of Panesar - and so he has not been able to meet the expectations we hoped for.  It seems like you cant see that because you dont want to - like I said before - most things have pros and cons if you open your eyes.  The arrival of Panesar gave us a ready made spinner to take wickets in Div 2 while our youngsters were progressing - but lets not pretend that Beer and Rayner were not ready for regular cricket in Div 2 this year - and lets not pretend that we were all really looking forward to that at the end of last season.

Backward Point - just reply to that by saying that Im wrong to say that elephants come from Iceland - you might as well.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

softandfluffy wrote:

Re: wicketkeepers, Hodd has also had a poor season, although Brown shows recent promise.

Meanwhile, Thornley has disappeared from the 1st XI after early season form. In fact, of the so-called youngsters, Rayner has been the brightest spark, while poor old Beer has been discarded to the 2nd XI, after such a promising 2009.

Panesar has improved but still requires a minimum of 50 wickets this season before his signing is justified. Anyon has been a bit of this and that and hasn't exactly taken the club by storm.

Early season we relied on the form of RMJ and Rana to gain our championship wins. While, we still have no cover for Yardy or Wright in the batting department when off on England duty. Meanwhile, Goodwin is close to retirement and we certainly have no-one in the wings to cover his impending loss.

Realism is a word that sits more comfortably with me.


I think that's looking very much at the negative. anyone would think we're about to be relegated rather than promoted.

I accept your comment of realism but you just don't know how we are going to perform next season. Some will go forwards, so will go backwards.
who would have thought Ben Brown would have been such a success after seeing his first couple of championship outings? Who's to say that won't happen to our other youngsters.

I don't believe Hodd has had a poor season. I accept he's not made the runs he would have liked consistently in the championship but he does average more than Thornley and Gatting. I also think he's still the best keeper at the club.

Monty will get his 50 wickets but, in my opinion, has gone way past justifying his signing. Ollie has performed well, as you say, and what has been particularly pleasing is his batting. He is now a genuine all-rounder, not a bowler who can bat a bit.

As for Anyon, injuries have hindered him but anyone who saw him against Glamorgan will appreciate he went out there with a point to prove and bowled well.

I think there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic and still be realistic.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Banana,

I am being realistic for next summer in LV1, as I am pretty convinced, like we all are, that Sussex will be promoted this season.

My main concern are our youngsters who are showing promise but this doesn't mean they will make the 1st XI grade. Gatting and Thornley have disappointed, in my view; only Rayner has improved and moved forward in his development.

Although, I hope next season will be unexpected and great. Brown, Hatchett, Gatting, Thornley etc.. all have outstanding seasons and this time next year, Sussex are fighting it out for the LV1 championship trophy.

How about that for optimism?  wink

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

very good!!!

i know what you're saying about Div 1. You only have to look at most promoted clubs to see they struggle with the step up but I do feel we look a better balanced side than last year.

We all know there's a difference between the two divisions and I'm not blinkered to that. But in the case of someone like Gatting, I truly believe he will come good. Ollie is a good example of someone who started brilliantly in his career, then struggled to push on but is now turning into a decent player.

like you and robbo, i agree we probably need to strengthen the squad but for a couple of weeks at least, I'm going to wave my flag, run round the living room with a giant foam finger and enjoy the moment.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Kent Exile wrote:

Backward Point - just reply to that by saying that Im wrong to say that elephants come from Iceland - you might as well.

They don't do they ?

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Squad for the Northants game.....

JE Anyon
BC Brown
CD Collymore
MW Goodwin (c)
AJ Hodd
CD Nash
MS Panesar
MJ Prior
OP Rayner
MA Thornely
LWP Wells
Yasir Arafat

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

No Joyce??

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

To answer my own question he is apparently ill.  So another chance for Thornley ... or a first for Wells?

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

lochlomond wrote:

To answer my own question he is apparently ill.  So another chance for Thornley ... or a first for Wells?

or both.

No Yardy ,no Wright,No Joyce doesnt look our strongest batting does it?

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

There seems to be a shortage of optisisim looking at some of of the negative stuff on this board at the moment.Considering all the changes of personal that the sqaud is going through i think we have had a good year ,we have been competitive in all forms of the game and have been involved right to the end,because of the rebuilding robbo has had to do we maybe have slipped up on certain games but have been quite cosistent over the course of the whole season.
I have enjoyed watching some winning 4 day cricket at home this year and weather permitting will enjoy this last game at hove till next year hopefully wrapping up the championship this week and celebrating another trophy in good company of you all.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Wise words from the Wiseman.

I should be feeling excited with the team about to be promoted. But the weather is rubbish, our last home game is going to be full of weather delays, I can't get to the our last game at Worcester and the season has felt totally disjointed.

2009 was one of the most exciting and fun seasons ever.
2010 has felt like a damp squib that never really got going.

From 2014 I have doubts that being a Sussex fan will continue to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.
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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

I think it had a lot to do with the crazy fixture programming.  By the time we escaped the ash cloud at the end of April we had already won 3 championship matches, and then just as we were getting into them they stopped.  Then one in the middle of a load of 1 day games (20/20, 40/40) and finally back to 4 days in September.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

The Paperboy wrote:


I should be feeling excited with the team about to be promoted. But the weather is rubbish, our last home game is going to be full of weather delays, I can't get to the our last game at Worcester and the season has felt totally disjointed.

2009 was one of the most exciting and fun seasons ever.
2010 has felt like a damp squib that never really got going.

I think that sums things up for quite a few people. The season has had no natural rythm to it. Whatever the commercial imperatives, the expansion of the T20 competition has meant that everything else has been crammed into the wings and it's probably fortunate that the early season weather was sufficiently clement to allow us to get points on the board in the CC.

As for this match, I suspect that either Wells or Hodd will miss out. Assuming Nash and Thornely will be the opening pair, Brown has probably done enough to continue at three assuming Prior will keep wicket and bat five which would enable Wells to come in at six. My own view is that Hodd should play and keep which would allow both Brown and Prior to concentrate on their batting.

Rayner for me then gets the nod over Arafat at seven then Anyon, Panesar and Collymore.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

The Paperboy wrote:

Wise words from the Wiseman.

I should be feeling excited with the team about to be promoted. But the weather is rubbish, our last home game is going to be full of weather delays, I can't get to the our last game at Worcester and the season has felt totally disjointed.

2009 was one of the most exciting and fun seasons ever.
2010 has felt like a damp squib that never really got going.

Thats down to the format that has been dire and enforced on us (the real cricket public), as well as the fact we, as expected, could not match one day performances of prev season.

Monty is a long way ahead of our young spinners be it spin control and variation. But I think we have done well in giving vital experience to them and all the others and would not write anybody of those mentioned off and think Brown, in particular, looks exciting.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

The Paperboy wrote:

Wise words from the Wiseman.

I should be feeling excited with the team about to be promoted. But the weather is rubbish, our last home game is going to be full of weather delays, I can't get to the our last game at Worcester and the season has felt totally disjointed.

2009 was one of the most exciting and fun seasons ever.
2010 has felt like a damp squib that never really got going.

That sounds quite funny coming before your little footnote about being a Sussex fan! 

Anyway, from S&F's constant negativity about our youth and prospects in Div 1 and SS's presumption that Luke Wells would make a better back up bowler than me, the thing I'm most surprised about is the lack of a mention for young Hatchett.

I hear Anyon bowled well in the last game, fair enough, but did Hatch not bowl well in his last CC game?  He should at least be in the squad and around the side. 

I think we have a softish middle order and incredibly long tail with Hodd at 6, Rayner 7 and Arafat 8, if that's how we go, but without Wright...

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

The Paperboy wrote:

Wise words from the Wiseman.

I should be feeling excited with the team about to be promoted. But the weather is rubbish, our last home game is going to be full of weather delays, I can't get to the our last game at Worcester and the season has felt totally disjointed.

2009 was one of the most exciting and fun seasons ever.
2010 has felt like a damp squib that never really got going.

What a funny thing. We all go on about loving 4 day cricket and not enjoying the shorter stuff so much and when we get relegated its exciting and fun and when we win the league its a damp squib. Maybe the damp squib thing is partly down to the actual damp weather which has spoiled 5 of our 14 games so far. Maybe its also down to the scheduling which is the stuff of nightmares for us purists and will ensure the demise of the 18 team Championship before too long. Lets just hope Sussex are part of it.

Having said that, I reckon Glamorgan, Gloucester, Northampton and Leicester were cracking away trips and the home games against Glos, Leicester, Derby and Surrey were equally enjoyable.

Uxbridge, Guildford and Derby were rain affected. As were the home games against Worcester and Glamorgan although there was some good cricket on days 3 and 4 of the Glammy game and Muzz got a nice ton against the Pears. We were rubbish against Middlesex at Hove.

So all in all with 2 games to go, I'd say its been an enjoyable Championship season to be celebrated with gusto in Worcester next week. PB get yourself up there for the first couple of days!

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

We'll go up as worthy Div 2 champions.

Monty has has a good season and will only get even better.

A debut please tomorrow for young Wells.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Morning all - anyone in Brighton/Hove able to give a weather update? BBC Breakfast's report does not give grounds for optimism

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

its actually sunny at the moment, although it absolutely lashed down last night - i imagine we will have a mixture of sun & showers all day - so some play with some interruptions would be my guess

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Good morning all,Tram man just got back from work sun is shining it stopped raining heavily hours ago and at this moment looking good i guess there maybe a delayed start as we had a lot of rain overnight but dont know that for certain soon as i know i will post it on board for you.
It seems strange hatchett as dropped off the radar,bearing in mind robbo said hes going to sort out a new contract with him.Anyway just hope the outfield isnt too bad and we see some cricket today.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Thanks for the info Sweatysock. The forecasts that I've seen suggest there could be some heavy bursts this morning and later on. I have a horrible feeling that there will be problems with the outfield again, as with Glamorgan, and that there won't be much play at all.

On balance I think I'll save 100 miles of petrol plus the car parking and follow whatever action there is with Bruce and Leesy.

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

yes the outfield could be a problem as a lot of rain last night and early morning

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Re: Sussex v Northants Hove 7 - 10 September

Today is one of those rare days this season when it sounds like the weather is better in Hove than Glasgow.  There's a great drying wind ... but it keeps blowing more rain in!