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(66 replies, posted in General Cricket chat)

serchers wrote:

Article from the cricketer.  Blah blah .............. but I draw your attention to this unbelievable confession from Morgan  Morgan has admitted that he interviewed only four county coaches or directors of cricket in drawing up his report

http://blog.thecricketer.com/?p=36142


Huh?? I also heard he interviewed three fans, and one of the fan's dog.

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

RFawden wrote:

I'm leaning towards SA being the best side in the world right now, with us and the re-juvenated Aussies hot on their heels.  I dunno what the crack is with Pakistan but I think we'd murder them in England, SA or Australia.  We move on with a reality check.

This league table thing doesn't work so well for cricket - unlike football, we tend to look backwards as well as across. So it's not who's no 1 but also whether they are decent and compare well to previous sides. We felt great in the summer because we were top and the best English side for ages, hoping to match the great Ozzie side in the years to come. Whoever's number 1 over the next 12 months will be much more muted because they will all be considered fairly average.

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(677 replies, posted in Players)

But since he was Yorks' overseas why not keep his options open and see what NSW come up with in the autumn? Or did Yorks give him a longer contract as non-overseas?

When are his four years up. Replacement for Strauss  wink

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(9 replies, posted in Players)

Surely the likes of Shah and Wright would be reasonably cheap. Maybe it's the conditions. It's certainly an odd state of affairs.

Certainly, no decisions on the future of cricket should be made based one the attendances at this year's BBL. Impossible to say whether these will be maintained, but real possibility that they won't.

S&F, it's one thing supporting one team in the south and one in the north which aren't rivals so when a fan of one, one hasn't grown to dislike the other. Here, we are being asked to support Sussex and The Rose Bowl franchise comprising a few of our boys and those from unloved local rivals. How does that work?

(well, the two together for a few years only, since Sussex would fold very quickly).

Does anyone know how things have panned out in rugby? Lots of merged clubs in Wales and Scotland. What do the fans make of it all?

Yes, that's my take on it, SPSL. I don't know the answer (and my 18 Middlesexes was ignored by our expert so is clearly worthless) but what I do know is that the solution, whilst possibly contructive as you put it, S&F, is only constructive to English cricket which, financially, means the TMGs. The moment you put all your eggs into the TMG basket the smaller counties become irrelevant. The focus will shift. No-one will want to come to Hove because we won't be playing the big games there anymore. So it might be a solution, but a terrible one for Sussex, Somerset, Worcestershire and others that are benefitting not only local fans but delivering players to England. And the idea of a smaller 20-20 league for the small counties is a classic case of a second division, soon to be non-first-class as the likes of Hove are sold and Sussex become a minor county.

Is this being a dinosaur? Is it being an elite fan wanting the small counties to stay afloat? I don't think so.

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

IPL discussions moot in the end - Matty and Luke both unsold.

Strauss dismissal an absolute disgrace.

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(9 replies, posted in Players)

Alll England players go unsold at the IPL.

Luke's just missed out and a few moments ago, having just scored the fasted 100 in Oz 20-20 history. Shah one of the top batsman at the BBL.

I don't understand - why don't they like the English players? Not that I am complaining, you understand...

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(24 replies, posted in Players)

Tricky - what do we need most - oomph at start of batting or a bowler? I had been thinking more the former, based on last year. Rana's batting rarely works out in 20-20, does it? Otherwise a good shout.

aewparsons wrote:

Making the fat fatter because they have big grounds while those like Worcester, Somerset and Sussex who develop great cricketers are marginalised. Who does that help?

I tell you what, this is another thing about the whole mess - the TMG counties should be dwarfing us little ones in production of England players, right? Quite the opposite is happening. Us smallies are wiping the floor on this one.

S&F, your franchise solution is short-term craziness. Have you ever thought of standing for Parliament?

How about this: why not mirror the Lord's model at all TMGs, or something like it. Counties can't possibly cope and are putting themselves into a complete mess trying to do so. ECB (or someone else - who?) take ownership of all the big grounds, and we have 18 Middlesexes, with about half of them playing in big grounds but making ends meet happily at a smaller scale, playing fabulous cricket that has a long term future and people actually want to watch over a sustained period, not the 'oh what's this - 20-20 - great fun - oh yawn - a bit samey isn't - crowds dwindle after two years etc etc'.

I know little about how Lord's works, but could something like that work nationwide?

Happy to seem him out, yet just serves to remind me how absurd it is that he was in in the first place. A quote in that article:

At the trial, judge Mr Justice Cooke, said Amir was "unsophisticated, uneducated and impressionable" and "readily leant on by others".

softandfluffy wrote:

It really is time for the purists to take their heads out of the sand and join the 21st century. If you don’t like T20 then that’s fine. You don’t have to watch it. But there are tens of thousands of English sports followers, perhaps more, who would enjoy watching an EPL competition during June. Not only would it attract many new followers to the sport but bring in essential fresh revenue streams for the debt-ridden Test grounds.

Coming late to this so doubtless already said, but in the end you are proposing ways to get English cricket out of its financial mess which have a huge cost to all the things that we actually want out of the game. I can't imagine a more depressing situation a couple of decades from now where CC county cricket is dead, franchises playing 20-20 rule the scene, and they are on a firm financial footing. What is it you are fighting for here, S&F? Is it financial security, or cricketers playing cricket we want to watch. You've plumped for the former only, but the true solution is both, and the way to do that is unpick this absurd situation TMGs have got themselves into - it's their over-stretching that has really got us into this mess, and turning cricket into something we really don't want to solve this mess is a bizarre solution.

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(24 replies, posted in Players)

Excellent signing - exactly what we need.

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(409 replies, posted in Players)

Thanks for link to George Dobell's article. Quite a roll call of top class players back then.

Who knows, perhaps the number of test matches will decline significantly with the focus on the 'big', well attended matches. If England consolidate their home form and continue to be very hard to beat at home, then there could be large gaps in the summer calendar for overseas stars to come and learn to play in English conditions, encouraged by their bosses wanting to reverse the trend of losses on English soil. It would be like the old days of Garner and Greenidge gracing county grounds.

Ugly stuff from Vaughan.

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(143 replies, posted in Players)

Willis is second after Clarkson come the revolution

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Two seamers, Monty and Beer? I thought it, but was too yellow-livered to suggest it.

Re-reading P's N's:

Paperboy's Nephew wrote:

In previous years England might have had reason to shy away from playing two spinners in a four man attack, but that was because at least one of those spinners wouldn't have been up to test match standard, so you couldn't rely on him to bowl 25% of the overs.

At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest, we would need to be sure that Beer was ready to take on 25% of the workload.

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(143 replies, posted in Players)

lochlomond wrote:
rexie1 wrote:

Anybody know the last time when Sussex had two players in the Enlgand test team?

The most recent I can think of was 22-27 July 1976 against West Indies at Headingley when John Snow played his last test match, and Tony Greig was captain, but that was nearly 36 years ago!

I grew up with Dexter, Parks and Snow all playing regularly for England, but that was in the 60s.  Since then players like Paul Parker, Tony Pigott, Ian Salisbury and Ian Greig all got a cap or two, but I do not think any of them played in the same match.  More recently Jimmy Kirtley got a cap, but again as the only Sussex player.

We did of course have two players winning the 20-20 World Cup.

Luke in for Morgan at 6 and we'll have three!

Delighted for Monty, absolutely delighted.

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Paperboy's Nephew wrote:

I'm saying this with the great benefit of hindsight, but I think this test has shown that you don't necessarily need a third seamer (nor a Bopara or a Collingwood). You just need four good bowlers who, collectively, are suitable for the conditions.

In previous years England might have had reason to shy away from playing two spinners in a four man attack, but that was because at least one of those spinners wouldn't have been up to test match standard, so you couldn't rely on him to bowl 25% of the overs.

With Monty and Swann, you can rely on about 60 overs of economical, threatening spin bowling, leaving about 30 overs for your two new ball bowlers in short bursts. It also means you don't need to use your occasional bowlers so much, because Monty doesn't need to rest like a thrid seamer, so you really keep the pressure on.

A model for Sussex, maybe, since we're always worrying about our batting? When we don't have Luke we struggle to know what to do with the last spot, and have regularly picked a fourth seamer that hardly bowls. Could go with three seamers and Monty.

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(66 replies, posted in General Cricket chat)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/16752755.stm

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Two dropped catches in the first two overs... one a dolly (Matty top edge).

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Very even. Is it just me that thinks Morgan shouldn't be in the side?

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Monty in! FANTASTIC news. Congrats - richly deserved.

But as part of a four man attack?? Smacks of lack of confidence in our batting after one poor game. We should have dropped Morgan and brought in Monty and a seamer. Quite extraordinary.

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Sharkey wrote:

Ard - Can we afford to weaken the batting any further? If Panesar were to come in it would have to be for Tremlett. Five batsmen and five bowlers is not an option without Bresnan. England need Swann and Broad for their batting as much as their bowling. What you going to do go in with a tail of Onions, Finn, Tremlett, Panesar and Anderson? Once the fifth wicket goes down opposition batsmen will be padding up! England have to go with Anderson, Broad, Swann and one from Tremlett, Finn, Panesar and Onions. I don't think Bopara or Davies for Morgan would add anything.

Fair enough. My greater interest in Sussex than England is clouding my judgement

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(159 replies, posted in Matches)

Nonsense, tippytoes - that's his biggest score since the Devonian