• From: Sunny Bognor Regis
  • Registered: 23-08-2004
  • Posts: 7,749

Topic: How much more can cricket take?

We have now had:

The Stanford fiasco.
Sri Lankan team shootings.
The 10 ball test match in Antigua.
The IPL controlling player availability for test matches.
West Indies replacing Sri Lanka at short notice for the tour to England.
Pakistan unable to play any home fixtures.
A Duckworth Lewis farce in Guyana.
A Duckworth Lewis farce in the World Cup final in Barbados.
Pietersen getting Moores sacked.
The scrapping of the Pro40 for a stupid second T20 tournament.
Now a possible West Indies player strike for unpaid wages.

How much more can cricket take?

From 2014 I have doubts that being a Sussex fan will continue to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.
  • From: Southwater
  • Registered: 06-04-2007
  • Posts: 2,658

Re: How much more can cricket take?

I must say it saddens me that the sport I love is being ruined by inept officials and being turned into a laughing stock.

The Duckworth/Lewis system although fair is ludriculosy complicated. 

It hasn't been a good year for cricket. Let's hope the Ashes series is played without controversy.

  • From: United Kingdom
  • Registered: 27-08-2004
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

The ECB and WICB can account for a lot of the above.

  • From: United Kingdom
  • Registered: 27-08-2004
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

Should just add that despite all the above April is nearly here and nothing compares with that magically moment when cricket comes back to this still beautiful country. I am now 58 have been in love with this mad daft game for 48 years and I still think it is magic whatever the ICC or ECB try and do to it.

(My son has been playing indoor cricket recently and netted at Hove and he  cannot wait to play. I reminded him that as he is 20 this summer he will actually be able to bowl fast in the league for more than 5 overs a game)

  • From: London
  • Registered: 27-04-2005
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

Disagree about Duckworth/Lewis.  Yes there are some complicated mathematics underlying it - there have to be in order to legislate for the effects of rain breaks in cricket matches - but we don't need to understand those.  It's not rocket science to work it out and just because it was beyond Johnny Dyson and Shaun Pollock it doesn't mean the system is flawed.  It's a great system which regularly produces fair re-workings of targets.

  • From: Fishersgate Maritime Village
  • Registered: 04-11-2006
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

ever since i can remember, cricket has courted controversy - even go back to Bodyline (which was even before my time). For some reason it attracts more controversy than any other game I can think of  - it also attracts more than its fair share of cock-ups,

This is all part of its unique charm

  • From: Trinidad and Tobago
  • Registered: 24-08-2004
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

Zaremba wrote:

Disagree about Duckworth/Lewis.  Yes there are some complicated mathematics underlying it - there have to be in order to legislate for the effects of rain breaks in cricket matches - but we don't need to understand those.  It's not rocket science to work it out and just because it was beyond Johnny Dyson and Shaun Pollock it doesn't mean the system is flawed.  It's a great system which regularly produces fair re-workings of targets.


Gotta agree that DL isnt the culprit in either cases.Both matches were actually ruined by the umpires not shortening the games and allowing them to go on to dark.In both cases they should have a)shortened the game to ensure a finish before 5.30 or b) allowed lights to be used.Simply hoping and lettting them play into dark was the key cause of two fiascos.

DL has sheets that show the required score each ball that dummies can understand.No maths involved.Dyson is Australian.

Triple Century
  • From: South Australia
  • Registered: 11-11-2004
  • Posts: 2,577

Re: How much more can cricket take?

Zaremba wrote:

Disagree about Duckworth/Lewis.  Yes there are some complicated mathematics underlying it - there have to be in order to legislate for the effects of rain breaks in cricket matches - but we don't need to understand those.  It's not rocket science to work it out and just because it was beyond Johnny Dyson and Shaun Pollock it doesn't mean the system is flawed.  It's a great system which regularly produces fair re-workings of targets.

Took the words straight out of my mouth m'lud...and good to see you back from the Old Bailey.

The only ones who f#cked it up appear to be John Dyson and the WICB who must take responsibility (yet again) for the farce that ensued.

TC....he may well be Australian but just remind me who were the rocket scientists that employed him?  lol

  • From: Sunny Bognor Regis
  • Registered: 23-08-2004
  • Posts: 7,749

Re: How much more can cricket take?

Zaremba and Triple Century have both summoned things up clearly.
It seems the umpires aren't in control of the time management aspect of the game.

From 2014 I have doubts that being a Sussex fan will continue to be the best sporting pleasure on the planet.
  • From: Trinidad and Tobago
  • Registered: 24-08-2004
  • Posts: 6,689

Re: How much more can cricket take?

Croweater wrote:
Zaremba wrote:

Disagree about Duckworth/Lewis.  Yes there are some complicated mathematics underlying it - there have to be in order to legislate for the effects of rain breaks in cricket matches - but we don't need to understand those.  It's not rocket science to work it out and just because it was beyond Johnny Dyson and Shaun Pollock it doesn't mean the system is flawed.  It's a great system which regularly produces fair re-workings of targets.

Took the words straight out of my mouth m'lud...and good to see you back from the Old Bailey.

The only ones who f#cked it up appear to be John Dyson and the WICB who must take responsibility (yet again) for the farce that ensued.

TC....he may well be Australian but just remind me who were the rocket scientists that employed him?  lol

I am a bit confused by your post to be honest.

First there are no rocket scientists at WICB.They are a really disfunctional bunch lacking in basic integrity and have mismanaged West indies cricket for a long time.
Dyson turns out to be not a bad coach ,judging from results, and gets on ok with the players.Not easy for an Australian and you gotta admire the way he admitted to a stupid stupid error and took sole responsibility(what happened to the captain.Why didnt he say "John my chart shows England ahead...please check it again"
How are the WICB responsible for the fiasco?I know they are useless cretins but you cant blame them fot the umpires and global warming?

Triple Century
  • From: South Australia
  • Registered: 11-11-2004
  • Posts: 2,577

Re: How much more can cricket take?

triple century wrote:

How are the WICB responsible for the fiasco?I know they are useless cretins but you cant blame them fot the umpires and global warming?

I thought they were responsible for the overall administration and running of West Indies cricket. It's a shambles mate and this was just one of the examples. Hope that clears up the confusion for you.

Now I'm really confused about some of your posts. First the global warming jibe. What's that got to do with it?  :roll:

Secondly, one minute you are slagging off Dyson (referring to him as a "dummy"), next you are praising him saying he's not a bad coach? What's the story there? Can he be both?

Thirdly I criticise the WICB and I'm 'wrong' because, even though in your own words they are a bunch or "cretins", they should not take the blame? Well who should take the blame for the overall malaise that is West Indies cricket? :?

  • From: Trinidad and Tobago
  • Registered: 24-08-2004
  • Posts: 6,689

Re: How much more can cricket take?

Croweater,
                Someone said DL was complicated.I said there is a sheet that can be read by dummies(I really meant to imply that although based on high maths you dont need a calculator to work out the par score).I  really didnt mean to suggest John Dyson is a dummy(although he did misread the sheet).The manager Khan and the captain are also at fault.I apologize for that gratuitous jibe because Dyson doesnt deserve to be demonized for that silly mistake.

Yes WICB are manifestly guilty of mismanagement. But how were they responsible for that particular fiasco?might have been repeated today had not both sides agreed to use lights.The umpires screwed up badly by not deducting overs for rain.It was also the umpires and match referee that ruined the world cup final.

England are not a good side and have no hope of winning the Ashes unless they improve dramatically,
West Indies are still poor and rely on five or six players..but are showing some improved results and Dyson must surely be given some credit for that.He is Australian and that doesnt make his job any easier.

Triple Century
  • From: South Australia
  • Registered: 11-11-2004
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

triple century wrote:

Yes WICB are manifestly guilty of mismanagement. But how were they responsible for that particular fiasco?

For the same reason that they, rather than just the groundsman, should take responsibility for the pitch fiasco.

When the ship goes down, the captain takes the rap.

Amateurism at the top appears to be filtering it's way throughout the organisation - I doubt that's a coincidence.

  • From: Hamilton
  • Registered: 04-04-2006
  • Posts: 1,521

Re: How much more can cricket take?

The Paperboy wrote:

We have now had:

The Stanford fiasco.
Sri Lankan team shootings.
The 10 ball test match in Antigua.
The IPL controlling player availability for test matches.
West Indies replacing Sri Lanka at short notice for the tour to England.
Pakistan unable to play any home fixtures.
A Duckworth Lewis farce in Guyana.
A Duckworth Lewis farce in the World Cup final in Barbados.
Pietersen getting Moores sacked.
The scrapping of the Pro40 for a stupid second T20 tournament.
Now a possible West Indies player strike for unpaid wages.

How much more can cricket take?

Look at almost any sport; analogous things are happening there too. I'm sure Sky and Murdoch's filthy money are at least partly to blame.
Oh, and according to my statistician friends DL is flawed, but because it's complicated and most of us can't understand the mathematics it survives. One cannot criticize what one cannot understand. And besides it appears to be the least worst of the various options.

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  • Registered: 30-06-2008
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

triple century wrote:

Croweater,
                Someone said DL was complicated.I said there is a sheet that can be read by dummies(I really meant to imply that although based on high maths you dont need a calculator to work out the par score).I  really didnt mean to suggest John Dyson is a dummy(although he did misread the sheet).The manager Khan and the captain are also at fault.I apologize for that gratuitous jibe because Dyson doesnt deserve to be demonized for that silly mistake.

Yes WICB are manifestly guilty of mismanagement. But how were they responsible for that particular fiasco?might have been repeated today had not both sides agreed to use lights.The umpires screwed up badly by not deducting overs for rain.It was also the umpires and match referee that ruined the world cup final.

England are not a good side and have no hope of winning the Ashes unless they improve dramatically,
West Indies are still poor and rely on five or six players..but are showing some improved results and Dyson must surely be given some credit for that.He is Australian and that doesnt make his job any easier.

Apparently both teams were given D/L sheets by the match referee that didnt have the wickets fallen column across the top which they had to write in themselves. Dyson wrote them in starting with 1 wicket instead, of course, of 0 wickets (as you have the D/L score if no wicketss have fallen then I wicket etc..O). Silly but to be labelled "Die-soon" on message boards as a result is a bit much. Wont do his application for the England job much good though

The Kookaburra Man
  • From: Oxford
  • Registered: 26-04-2006
  • Posts: 63

Re: How much more can cricket take?

If Dyson filled in the headings himself, what did he put at the top of the last column? Eleven wickets down?

  • From: Fishersgate Maritime Village
  • Registered: 04-11-2006
  • Posts: 10,444

Re: How much more can cricket take?

he would have lost then as they would have been all out

  • From: Arundel
  • Registered: 25-08-2004
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Re: How much more can cricket take?

agreed.

not only how much more can cricket take but also (and i never thought i would say this....) how much more international cricket can we, the cricket fans,  take.

it is now total overkill -----  and no time for injuries to heal or the players' batteries to recharge.  or for players' to fine tune their game or find their form.   


mike (in sunny cornwall recharging my knackered old battery)

life member - you're stuck with me!

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  • From: United Kingdom
  • Registered: 11-05-2005
  • Posts: 1,568

Re: How much more can cricket take?

Yes, it seems to go on and on - rather like the football. I don't think I can take much more of the Albion this season -doomed I think!

Couldn't call myself a stick insect but now going in the right direction!