Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

well just got back from the ground - still in a state of shock. We batted well, other than making a pigs ear of our powerplay (something they certainly didnt) but the bowling was woeful - absolutely toothless and ripe for picking, with no exceptions. One or two seemed half-fit - RMJ & Yasir, I reckon.
Our season is going horribly wrong - I am hoping that this defeat will act as a wake-up call, otherwise we are in for a long and painful ride in all forms of cricket

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

SPSL11 wrote:

I call them the oddballs x1  but what does that make us?? In 1 day cricket we reached a low today. This competition is basically over for us so when we play again 19 July !!!!!!!!!!!
maybe Ollie and Will will get games and one or 2 younger seamers.


I do hope Muzza does not decide to bat in the morning .

I wouldn't say it was over. We still have to play Surrey twice who, despite today, we should be fairly confident of beating. Glamorgan twice and Worcester once who have only won 1/10 between them. Although it was a major setback today we still have 7 games to play and 2 months to sort our form out.

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Do we get a bow, or even an apology, from all the Unicorns piss takers now ??

I'd like to share your optimism calum10, but i really can't see this Sussex side winning any trophies whatsoever this season, if the club hadn't wasted all that money signing Panesar and keeping on the likes of Aga and Liddle, then we may have been able to sign a couple of decent seam bowlers.

It's been a long time since i've been so disenchanted with Sussex cricket, even before todays joke result.

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train driver wrote:

if the club hadn't wasted all that money signing Panesar and keeping on the likes of Aga and Liddle, then we may have been able to sign a couple of decent seam bowlers.

I have been unimpressed with Monty's performances to date which have been nothing to write home about. This money could have been better spent on recruiting a decent seam bowler or two as we already had two good young spinners in Beer and Rayner who seem to more highly rated by other counties than our own coaches! Why was Liddle given another year? Aga was contracted for 2010. Liddle is injured AGAIN! If Aga isn't good enough to get in the one-day team ahead of Keegan or play against Unicorns what is he doing here? 25/26 year olds shouldn't be playing 2XI cricket (nor should Keegan or Kirtley)!

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Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

train driver wrote:

Do we get a bow, or even an apology, from all the Unicorns piss takers now ??

I'd like to share your optimism calum10, but i really can't see this Sussex side winning any trophies whatsoever this season, if the club hadn't wasted all that money signing Panesar and keeping on the likes of Aga and Liddle, then we may have been able to sign a couple of decent seam bowlers.

It's been a long time since i've been so disenchanted with Sussex cricket, even before todays joke result.

The reason I still am somewhat optimistic is because despite what recent results suggest we are a good side and have shown that already this season. I just think we need to stop being so sure of everything and need a good kick up the backside.

If our poor form continues and we do end up having a dreadful season I've got a feeling the signing of Monty will be one of the main factors. Unfortunately in my opnion a rare piece of bad judgement by Robbo.

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Why are we all picking on Monty, who was the pick of a poor bunch today, and who are these seamers we could have signed.
Good post though Calum - i also still think we have a good team and squad, despite our current poor form

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Sweatysock wrote:

Why are we all picking on Monty, who was the pick of a poor bunch today, and who are these seamers we could have signed.
Good post though Calum - i also still think we have a good team and squad, despite our current poor form

I don't believe it has anything to do with this match.
I think mainly because performances haven't justfied the money we are paying for him to be here so far this season. I also believe its because not only is he keeping two promising spinners out of both squads but is certain to play almost every game no matter how he or anybody else performs. The Rayner/Anyon performance against Northants being a prime example.

I suppose the only bowler that springs to mind is Hoggard, I don't remember what the situation was behind him not coming but if we had the money he may of come.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

When we have just failed to defend 325, it seems an odd day to pick on the most economical bowler in the match.

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Agree, Sweaty, not sure why Monty is copping it tonight. It's early days, he's done OK, incl. in the one dayers . Plus some decent batting

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I consoled myself about our humiliation yesterday b y putting it down to a couple of special innings. Any element of that with this? Esp Durstons knock?

The Kookaburra Man

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The thing is our bowling attack isn't the best but what they have done is bowl well as a unit. ( Batsmen take note ) Panesar has been part of that unit albeit with a limited role to play because of the helpful conditions favouring the seamers. However with these drier conditions its fair to say he can now step up to the plate.

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Durston has certainly put himself in the shop window with his displays this season. If there are any counties looking for an off spinning batting all rounder they could do a lot worse than look at this chap. To be honest I'm surprised that Gloucestershire have not taken a chance with him, they are short of batsmen and his spin would be useful and he lives locally too

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

jonboy wrote:

Durston has certainly put himself in the shop window with his displays this season. If there are any counties looking for an off spinning batting all rounder they could do a lot worse than look at this chap. To be honest I'm surprised that Gloucestershire have not taken a chance with him, they are short of batsmen and his spin would be useful and he lives locally too

yep - its a horrible defeat for us but that must have been some innings - 117 off 68 balls. i remember watching durston in champions league for somerset. he played a really good knock for 50 against eagles. presumably he was released because they knew they had more good young talent available like butler.

anyone who can bat like that should be playing for a county in the T20s

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I keep hearing that Monty is doing OK.  He is doing no more than either of our own young spinners could do - and they can bat and field - I saw Rayner and Monty fielding at Somerset and blimey what a difference.  What is the point in signing a big money player - pushing our own promising lads into the background - just so that he can do OK.

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Yes this has been the worst week to be a Sussex supporter since the awful 2000 season and today is totally humiliating because a bunch of current non-first class players successfully pursued the highest 40 over run chase in history.  However, it still has to be in perspective and I think we should try and be constructive.

There were some extenuating circumstances.  Yardy and Wright need to get back in the swing of county cricket and english conditions.  Yasir's obviously not had the overs even if he's fit.  However, the team haven't really played well as a whole in any of the one day fixtures and the club needs to get back to what it was doing so successfully last year. 

I am not going to knock Monty and say he was a waste of money.  I put on here after we signed him that it was a longer term project to get him back to his best and if he hadn't had a big lapse in his game Sussex would never have been able to sign him because he would still have been in England's thoughts.  I can't believe that people are willing to write him off as a championship player at this stage.  I think many of us had doubts about him as a one day player and it's difficult right now because he still hasn't played a lot of one day matches in his career for us to fully assess it.  I believe we're missing Will Beer and Rory Hamilton-Brown from last season as spin options.  I understand where Robbo's coming from as he wants an attacking leg spinner and doesn't want to compromise Will in the way say John Emburey was compromised by one day cricket.  Unfortunately we need another option here and now and one thing we've had so often in recent years is spinners who strangle the game even if the seamers don't stem the flow of runs early on.  I hope it doesn't mean that Will is out of one day cricket for a long period of time.  It was very exciting to have a homegrown player who helped take us to the 50 over final and played a part in winning the Twenty20 cup.  I am sure Michael Yardy will be back on track when he's back playing regularly in english conditions.  The england call-ups really do take a toll in terms of players taking time to adjust.  As if the process with Ed Joyce and Yasir coming back from injuries weren't enough to deal with.  I would still like to see James Kirtley open the bowling in one day cricket.

Eventually a season will come when we're not going to win any trophies (remember we've done so every season since 2005 if you count the second division of the 40 over competition in 2005).  However, we've had a number of difficult patches in competitions and come back.  Let's not write this team off and let's not be too rude about the players considering all the pleasure they've given us in recent times.

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Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Just got back from the match.

An excellent game to watch, just a pity that there weren;t more there to see it. There were plenty of vacant spaces around the boundary. The up side of this was that there wasn't the usual post match traffic jam.

It could have been a Sussex home match. The stewards and gate staff were from Sussex and even the PA was provided by Graham from Hove. I imagine that we and Arundel Castle made a few quid out of the day and the ECB didn't  smile .

The Durston innings was something special, the highlight being 3 successive 6s off Nasher to bring up the 100. The innings of Knappett the wicketkeeper shouldn't be overlooked. He got 90* off 84 balls, but in the stand of 165 with Durston he only made 41.

Our innings was perfectly decent, with everyone contributing. Nasher was going well until he tried something fancy, Edmund was unlucky to be caught & bowled as the bowler juggled  the ball several times, Luke holed out at deep square leg and Yards was surprised to be given out caught behind.

Monty was the most economical of the bowlers with 8-0-50-0, with only one over being clattered. RMJ only bowled 2 overs, going off after the first, so I suppose he was under the weather.

An interesting incident in our innings was the removal of Mees, the Unicorns opening bowler, for running on the pitch. Don't think I've seen that before.

Bloody awful week - let's hope we can pull things around against Worcs.

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I'm not sure about the Beer and Brown situations. Personally I'd play them in the 40 over games as we did last season. However Robbo is the coach and if he feels Beers game is being compromised then you have respect that decision. Does this apply to all younger players or just Will Beer? I only ask because to a degree, all players are affected by the different demands of the one day game, especially the 2020. I'm sure our success in the one day stuff has played a part in our championship batting troubles in recent seasons. How often do we see our batsman trying to score off every ball instead of picking balls on merit? I can only assume  that Will being younger, is finding it more difficult to adapt. Are we going to see more horses for courses type of squads, with one for the championship and one for the shorter game.

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Its not the end of the world,but something we are not used to,we would eventually come to a season where we might struggle in the one day format and even possibly the longer form.
But it is not to late for both,and we do have the squad to be more competitive even if its not a winning trophies one.
We moan when our batsman dont put enough runs on the board for our bowlers but we did just that today but our bowlers again let us down.Yasser is obviously not match fit,RMJ looked far from the bowler he was less than a month ago and the remainder did not perform to thier ability.Hence again we were beaten by a better team.
So where do we go from here?now is the time to give other players ago in the one day format at least,we have had several on books for a couple of years at least so lets give them a chance to prove themselves or move them on.
Then there is Beer,Raynor,Anyon,and even Corey Collymore who may not score alot of runs but would not probably have to bat but would add some control to our bowling when we need it.
I for one have got used to the winning way,but we may have to get used to not winning in order to get us going in the right direction long term.

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Come on you lot we have been spoilt winning all these trophies,at some stage we are going as a team to fail to keep producing.We all know it hurts the players too its not like they can turn it on like a tap you know,its looks like a season of winning a few and losing a few but still will say we will have enough to get promoted because we are not a bad side and in my opinion a good sqaud of players.
I hate this bad mouthing of naming players that shouldnt in your opinions be at our club,the coaches and the players win and lose together do you people who name and blame the likes of monty, rags and lidds constantly when we lose a few games dont those players look and they dont want to see that more so when there not in the team as in rags and lidds case.
For what its worth i think the lads need a rocket from robbo and im sure he will fire it so they get message but stop naming and blaming individuals on this board please have the balls to do it face to face.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Well in a way we can take some comfort from the fact that we are under performing. Don't get me wrong its still frustrating, maybe doubly so when you know the players have the talent but for whatever reason, are not producing the goods. However at least we know that the players are capable of more, there is room for improvement.

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

jonboy wrote:

Well in a way we can take some comfort from the fact that we are under performing. Don't get me wrong its still frustrating, maybe doubly so when you know the players have the talent but for whatever reason, are not producing the goods. However at least we know that the players are capable of more, there is room for improvement.

yep there may well be some truth in that

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Yeah i think in the words of yazz, the only way is up lol

Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Some good sensible posts on here tonight - you've all done very well ( except the players who were shocking).

We are underperforming. It is collective and Robbo and Yards will sort it but the charade tomorrow with Cameroon is not going to help.

Durston's innings today was indeed excellent but I very much doubt that a defending Champions team has ever bowled so many four balls in an innings. Paperboy and Sweatysock would have dispatched some of that short and wide stuff to the short boundaries with the proverbial stick of rhubarb.

I was extremely fed up at the end of the game and went to visit my dad's grave for the first time - in Bury just down the road from the ground. That soon sorted me out - there was an owl gliding up and down above the River Arun and once I'd told the old boy how rubbish Sussex were today I soon got over it. He would have said something about how marvellous they all are and how much faith we have in Robbo and that it will turn round again very quickly. He would also have enjoyed the wonderful sunshine, the great company at one of the best cricket grounds in the world, Gatting's cameo and Durston's innings which was indeed wonderful. He would have  especially enjoyed Durston's delightful kids who were playing on the grass in front of us saying "Daddy will be back soon" - unfortunately for Sussex he was not back soon enough!!

Sussex have a very strong squad of players and will soon be playing great cricket again. I just hope its tomorrow when we all trek down to Hove!

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Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

Here we go, whinge whinge whinge, just weeks after everything being so wonderful.  Message boards - don't you just hate them.  I'm as annoyed as anyone as I bleed blue, blue and gold and we should be sitting on 4 wins out of 5 tonight - no, make that 5 out of 5.

Five things...

1) when are we signing Durston
2) why do people keep saying we're the holders of this competition ?  We won a straight league format, this competition ends with a final at Lord's
3) how can we be "out" of this competition with 7 games left.  I'd have thought won 10 lost 2 should be good enough for top spot - it's possible
4) why pick on Panesar but not Yardy, Nash, Arafat, Kirtley (same old people whinging about the recent no.1 finger-spinner in the world)
5) where were you when we were really sh*t ?

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Re: ECB Unicorns vs Sussex 23rd May

to be fair BP i don't think that the response has been too bad. most people are just shaking their heads. teams just do not chase down 300+ at 8 an over - until today. the fact that it was a non-professional team against arguably our strongest line-up makes it all the more difficult to accept.

i agree that we shouldnt be pointing fingers and writing players off. in fact i have been disappointed with a lot of the comments about chad keegan recently.

someone made a very good point on the message board a few weeks ago. something along the lines of "loving the results but they aren't making it easy on themselves". i agreed at the time. most of the early season games had some very sticky moments which we managed to come through.

funnily enough i'm actually not feeling too down about this result. normally i cant come anywhere near the messageboard after a defeat - need to wait till we're playing our next game before i can start to catch up again.

if later in in summer we cant qualify then it may give us the chance to blood some of the younger players. we've played so few "dead rubber" games in last couple of years that this has been difficult to do.