Topic: Championship - half-way stage

Well a welcome break, methinks, and time to think of 20/20 for a while. However we were off to a flier and have faded recently p 8 w4 d2 l2. The two losses were annoying as we could (should?) have won, the 2 draws were a lucky escape

Only 3 players have been outstanding -Goodwin, Collymore & RMJ

Panesar has been consistent rather than spectacular - the rest has provided glimpses but been inconsistent and in some cases downright disappointing

In general, the bowling has been an improvement on last year and the batting has mis-fired

I dont think we have been helped by a lack of a settled team - most of which has been out of our control due to international commitments.

But second isnt bad at half way - if the real batsman can compensate for the loss of RMJ runs, the bowlers should compensate for the loss of wickets

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I couldn't really agree with you more sweaty! That would just be how I would have summed up our start to the championship. But it has gone quickly, half way through the CC by early June. Madness.

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yes i tend to agree with you both.

good to see muzza back in form and rmj will be greatly missed.

one of  the younger batsmen is  doing ok(ish) and let's hope nash and yardy can score a pile of runs in the next batch of matches.  ditto joyce who should be match fit by then.

monty hasn't found his england form of old but very steady and may yet do so.

but probably fair to say the jury still out on anyon and monty as our two big name signings?

hopefully we will  push on in the second half of the  season however i think we would struggle with this squad back in the first division. 

so having recovered from the pain of relegation it won't be the end of the world if we don't go up this time round.

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Fair comment from both Sweaty and Mike, which is what I would expect. Monty, I would add,  has not yet had firm, hard spinners' wickets on which to bowl and I do not think we can  really judge him until Summer arrives properly. The top of the order hopefully will  also start to fire then.

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http://stats.cricinfo.com/ccdiv2-10/eng … tournament

Sometimes the perception is at odds with the statistics so above are Sussex CC averages for you to peruse....

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interesting stats ---- what do you take out of them tc?

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mike-by-the-sea wrote:

interesting stats ---- what do you take out of them tc?

well collymore's batting has gone right off the boil this year

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Midsummer slumber

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If someone had said in early April that by June 7th, Sussex would be 2nd in the LV2 championship with 112 points; 3rd in the Clydesdale Bank 40; and top of their T20 league, supporters would have bitten their hand off.

The problem is we've been spoilt by success during the last 10 years and expectations, in my view, are now too high.

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softandfluffy wrote:

If someone had said in early April that by June 7th, Sussex would be 2nd in the LV2 championship with 112 points; 3rd in the Clydesdale Bank 40; and top of their T20 league, supporters would have bitten their hand off.

The problem is we've been spoilt by success during the last 10 years and expectations, in my view, are now too high.

Yes indeed and as for individual performances. If you'd said "there will be five different centurions and none of those would be Yardy Nash or Joyce" we would have said you were as mad as jack russell.

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midsummer slumber is an interesting piece and, yes, it is a shame monty didn't get another bowl at derbyshire.

i am sure he will come more into his own in august and hopefully bowling in tandem with olly.

soft and fluffy - yes, the bar has certainly risen.

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softandfluffy wrote:

If someone had said in early April that by June 7th, Sussex would be 2nd in the LV2 championship with 112 points; 3rd in the Clydesdale Bank 40; and top of their T20 league, supporters would have bitten their hand off.

The problem is we've been spoilt by success during the last 10 years and expectations, in my view, are now too high.

Absolutely spot on S & F. Bit of a Jim Bowen factor (look at what you coulda won) to the last 4 CC games (I actually think we may have won without the rain at Derbs), it was only the Worcs game that we were never in a realistic position to win. All in all, despite occasionally brittle batting displays I am happy with where we are. And even happier with where Slurrey are big_smile

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I agree with s and f that expectations are far too high now. We have just been through a "golden age" but now that team has finished. In my view, we cannot expect to maintain the same level of success in the next period. We must give our younger players time to develop their skills and establish themselves in the team.

This season we have done quite well, I feel. I didn't expect us to keep on winning our CC matches - but the flyer that we got means that we do have a great chance of promotion now. The key will probably be how well Monty and Olly bowl in tandem on the drier pitches later on. And our one-day cricket has generally been good apart from the shocker against Unicorns - and a result like that can happen to anyone.

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Three quarters in now (almost) and some interesting changes.

1.We came off the boil and went ice cold in one day cricket.3rd in group at T20 and probbly something similar in pro 40.Not what we are used to but not a disaster.

2.In CC quite a recovery and back on top.RMJ retired but the team has taken it in their stride.Nash back to form,Collymore continuing to be outstanding,Panesar meeting expectations and the discovery of Hatchett.

Target of Promotion still very much alive

Sweaty...change the title to  two thirds in and update your views please.

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The one day stuff has beome rather montotonus and disappointing of late.

We seem to be doing well in championship cricket but don't expect much success in the remaing part of the season.

The bowlers have come to the fore more than I had expected espcially Collymore and Panesar who has turned a corner. Special mention to Olly who, in my opinion, should play in all of the reaming matches. He is I beleive the most improved player of the season.

Good to see Hatchett emerge. Gatting and Thornley haven't sadly kicked on and still have much to prove.

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my view is that we have 5 games to go - 3 at home and 2 away and we have a good chance of winning all of them, but we said that earlier this year and then lost to Middlesex and Northants. 2 of the home games are against what seem to be our main rivals (Glam & Northants), and at least 2 of our games we are likely to be without our captain and Luke.
Generally, I dont think its failure to bowl teams out that will stop us getting promoted, its not geting enough runs, so we need our main men to perform

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With Sussex 14 points clear, I would see it as a positive advantage that we still have Glamorgan and Northants to play: we have some control over the outcome of their matches, whatever the weather.

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Looking at the table, it's interesting that although everyone moans about the bowling attack and the top order, we actually have more batting points (32) than anyone else in the Division, and are joint top of the bolwing points (also 32) with Glos. In the 1st Division only Kent & Hants have more batting points, and no-one has more bowling points.

We must be doing something right!

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I'm not sure where this fear of promotion comes regarding the development of younger players, Wright, Nash and (I imagine but may be slightly out) Yardy have only played Div 1 before this season for us, and it may be harder to gauge performances in Div 2. It's certainly nice to play some different teams and all, but wouldn't a couple of years of Fulhamesque mediocrity be better than either contriving to stay in Div 2 or yoyoing al la West Brom?

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In many ways it's a moot point. All we can do is go out and try to win every game and see where that takes us: not going all out or not caring if we aren't promoted would damage the culture of a competitive club.

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I dont think we should think that the first division is too difficult for us - not convinced theres a huge gulf between the two divisions anyway and I do think this season has helped our bowling attack in particular gain some confidence - so really think we should be a lot more compoetitive than we were in the year we went down

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Hmmm...not sure I agree with you about the gulf Sweatster. I think its there and maybe whilst not huge, the yo-yoing of teams a la Worcs and sorry to say looking like Warks Kim, I reckon its large enough. I think we have a strong enough squad to hopefully follow the template of 2001 ie stay up for a year or two before competing again(always assuming we do go up). Only slight worry for me is the well debated seam issue, hopefully the Hatchett man will live up to the considerable promise he has shown so far.

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yes Xian - i was assuming we would get a couple of quality players in (preferably one bowler/ one batsman) when I said it

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In Div 2 there is also a gap...Leics have just crushed Derby and Gloucs could make Worcs follow on.
Middx,Worcs,Surrey and Derby are abysmal yet Sussex have managed only one win in 5 games against them whereas overall those four have lost 20 times in 44 attempts(including amongst themselves)

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5 games left, 
three at home (incl 2 against 2nd and 3rd placed) :
and three games against 7th, 8th and last
great postion to be in,
what will happen ? anyones guess ...but we have a great chance to win another title here

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