Topic: KP & Hampshire
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket 738829.stm
Sounds really keen doesnt he - maybe another misfit for Rory to captain!
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket 738829.stm
Sounds really keen doesnt he - maybe another misfit for Rory to captain!
I reckon he will cut his ties with County Cricket and just play for England and the IPL.
I'm not so sure Silas the England management and Strauss & Flower will probaly tell him find a county even if just for appereance sake. Will they really want the golden boy of English cricket to be a mercanary cricketer and disregard the county game?
Although he did say the travelling was an issue, The oval would seem a perfect location, I doubt it really was and the truth is he thinks he's too big for the county game.
Pietersen joined Hampshire due to Shane Warne. Now that connection has gone, and as he plays such little club cricket and lives in London, what is the point of staying?
For that matter is there any point for Pietersen joining a county club at all. Is it necessary? Or do you have to belong to one, as a rule to be in the England squad?
I can see in 5 years, a number of England players not belonging to any club. As they play so little for them; the obsession with rest periods; and as the England fixtures increase, what is the point? If they are out of form and require some practice, there is always a Lions match.
The gulf between the England central contract squad and county cricket is too great today, to see any point or logic in the union. Once a player is given a full contract, the club waves goodbye to them. If Yardy and Wright continue to impress in the ODIs, then they may well be selected on a regular basis for the Test team. If that occurs, Sussex might as well rip up their contracts. I accept, the ECB pay their wages, but to repeat, Pietersen has played so little for Hampshire, some supporters have never seen him play for their county.
Obviously, if they are released from their central contract eg. Monty Panesar, then they can join a county again.
The gulf between the England central contract squad and county cricket is too great today, to see any point or logic in the union. Once a player is given a full contract, the club waves goodbye to them.
not in Prior's case (yet) though S&F, and he seems to enjoy playing for Sussex. Its those that play IPL as well as Test/ODIs that have little time for county cricket it seems to me.
3rdman,
I wasn't suggesting Prior as he is a bit player compared to Broad, Anderson, Pietersen, Collingwood, Swann etc.. I am suggesting the core England players. There is no point in them being part of a county club - a complete waste of time.
3rdman,
I wasn't suggesting Prior as he is a bit player compared to Broad, Anderson, Pietersen, Collingwood, Swann etc.. I am suggesting the core England players. There is no point in them being part of a county club - a complete waste of time.
But Anderson is one the core players in all forms but he's played as much for Lancs this season as Prior has played for us and actually requested to play when England were going to make him unavilable.
I think ultimately it comes down to the player and their on and off the field attachment to the county rather than the England management.
I think KP has no real affinity for county cricket and one of the drawbacks of his South african background, as most of the england players have come through the ranks of juniors etc - i reckon he just doesnt get it!
Of the other players you list, most are happy to play county cricket from time to time and do - big exception is Colingwood who is always a reluctant recruit
Exactly Sweaty and another thing I think is how many mates will he have in the dressing room. He played most of his county games in 05/06 and the team has changed a lot since then so if hes only there once a season how can he get to know his fellow Hampshire players.
To him most of the hampshire players are probaly members of his team rather than teamates. I think thats one of the main differences between KP and Matt/Anderson although I suppose Collingwood is an exception to the rule.
Anderson was injured and didn't play in the World Cup T20. I follow his tweet and the overall feeling being, Jimmy had cabin fever at home; was bored out of his skull in the gym; and desperately needed to play some cricket just to hold on to his sanity.
So, he swans in to the Lancashire club pre and early season; plays a few games; says hello to his almost forgotten team-mates; and then b*ggers off again for the Tests against Bangladesh and the rest of the summer. When will he next play again for Lancs?
How must the Lancashire supporters and club feel? Pretty p*ssed off, I suspect. They only see Jimmy when he's either injured and then needs some recuperation; or the odd OD game, if there's a sufficient gap in the England fixture list and the ECB deem he requires some bowling practice. If not, "it's rest time, mate!"
The ECB are merely rubbing their autonomy all over the county clubs' face in a disrespectful and pompous manner; and the player, through not his intention, comes over like some spoilt and pampered rock star.
Meanwhile, the club must smile through gritted teeth; allow themselves to be walked all over by the ECB; while patting themselves on the back, as one of theirs dons an England shirt.
What's the point?
If an employee is assigned to a company, he/she is expected to work there. Not swan up for two weeks of the year.
It is another weird and wonderful quandary only found in cricket.
Last edited by softandfluffy (14-06-2010 17:01:45)
What are you seriously suggesting - that counties refuse to let their players play for England? I really struggle to see what your point is. The England team play throughout the summer and there are precious few breaks to give players who play all forms back to their counties. And even when they do, you seem to be complaining about them doing so
The ECB pay the salaries of the 'central contract players'. so that they do what they like
Agree with Sweaty post 8 ie KP has no affinity with any county as he was not bought up here.The day he made his England debut he gave up county cricket . Trott has made his home in Birmingham and Bedweatter schooled at Millfield , Street in Somerset.
As I said in my post #12 the counties are not the employers the ECB is.
Like Prior, playing for Warwickshire has never been an issue for Bell either - he does it as often as he can.
Its slightly ironic that KP cites geography as a reason not to play for a team isnt it? ![]()
S&F - the ECB do more than just pay wages. The counties also now make a "profit" on contracted players through incentives.
Last edited by KimJones (14-06-2010 18:41:12)
Why not sign him for us, he spends alot of his time round Piers Morgans house near Newick so the geography shouldn't be a problem ![]()
daveshark,
You have this unerring habit of misunderstanding my posts.
As dvlangford states, county clubs are the employees of the ECB. They are the breeding ground for potential future Test players. But, what I am suggesting is, once a player becomes centrally contracted and is a part of the core England side, he shouldn't continue being part of a county club. There is no reason or point to this. The ECB then pays his wages and if you like the England team becomes a super elite club in its own right.
If an England player is out of form or requires practise games after injury, then they are placed in the Lions A or B side and aren't fobbed off back to the county. The present relationship between the ECB and counties, is so dysfunctional; so one-sided in favour of Clarke and his cronies, is it not surprising there is this festering resentment.
Meanwhile, the county is given handsome compensation by the ECB for the hard work placed into grooming and fulfilling the said player's potential. Perhaps, incremental, given how successful this player becomes. This allows the county to financially find a top class replacement.
Once a cricketer is discarded by the ECB and his central contract ends, then that player can refind employment from either his previous county or a new one eg. Panesar.
Last edited by softandfluffy (14-06-2010 18:54:59)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket 738829.stm
Sounds really keen doesnt he - maybe another misfit for Rory to captain!
My thoughts too. While Robbo has a reputation for rebuilding players who are "a bit broken", so Griz seems to be cornering a niche market for those who are broken, expensive and beyond repair. KP would be a perfect fit.
A rather different take on James Anderson's attitude
alicatt,
Thanks for that. I am pleased Anderson agrees with the views of club303, mine and others about how the ECB have run ramshod over this year's T20 tournament. And how this competition should remain sacrosanct, so that clubs can put out their strongest side; with no England fixtures getting in the way.
Also, delighted to read of Anderson's desire to play for Lancashire in the T20 and his frustration that he can't. But his hands are tied to the ECB. What can he do? I wonder how Yardy and Wright must feel as they leave Sussex in the midst of a winning run; knowing they could help the club retain the trophy; yet also knowing they will miss at least 8 crucial games. It must be a bitter sweet moment for both of them.
As for the ECB spokesman, what utter nonsense, in my view. It's all about greed and overkill. The World Cup is a pathetic excuse as a reason for the 5 ODIs against Australia. As I said in a previous post: Poor planning - Poor judgment - Poor thinking.
Last edited by softandfluffy (14-06-2010 22:36:07)
fantastic comments by anderson - the voice of reason.
i must admit i always had him down as a player how was keen to turn out for lancs when he could. in fact didnt he ask to play for lancs v warwicks when he returned from T20 after not having had much of a bowl.
the real issue is when they pick a squa of another 12 fringe players for 4 England Lions games slap bang at the end of the T20 tournament
ECB nowadays = nothing but $$$. Truly they are Sky's servants.
As for these Lion's fixtures mid season, what an utter farce.
If an England player is out of form or requires practise games after injury, then they are placed in the Lions A or B side and aren't fobbed off back to the county. The present relationship between the ECB and counties, is so dysfunctional; so one-sided in favour of Clarke and his cronies, is it not surprising there is this festering resentment.
S&F you've totally lost me here - are you suggesting TWO Lions sides (A and B) - that would surely lead to even more meaningless fixtures than there are at present with even more county players being required to make up two squads wouldn't it ? (there surely wouldn't be that many out of form/ recovering from injury centrally contracted England players to put into those teams).
3rdman,
The ECB have so lost the plot this summer Re: The England fixture list in June, not even Hercule Poirot's 'little grey cells' can figure out what the hell is going on!
The idea of a Lions A/B side was a quick idea - I agree, perhaps, not a sensible one. Like others on this BB, what I want is the T20 tournament to be devoid of any England fixtures running ramshod over it. I want Sussex to retain the trophy; and they have a side to achieve this - but not if our best players are disappearing off to England ODIs and Lions matches.
I appreciate club303 has started a new thread just on this subject, so I won't pontificate here.
Like Prior, playing for Warwickshire has never been an issue for Bell either - he does it as often as he can.
Assuming they select him. ![]()